XMLP minutes

10 Aug 2005

Agenda

1. Roll Call

Present: BEA Systems, Mark Nottingham; BEA Systems, David Orchard; Iona Technologies, Suresh Kodichath; Microsoft Corporation, Martin Gudgin; Nokia, Mike Mahan; Oracle, Anish Karmarkar; SeeBeyond, Pete Wenzel; Sun Microsystems, Marc Hadley; W3C, Yves Lafon
Regrets: Canon, Herve Ruellan; IBM, Chris Ferris; IBM, Noah Mendelsohn
Absent: Microsoft Corporation, Doug Purdy; SAP AG, Volker Wiechers
Excused: Canon, Jean-Jacques Moreau; Microsoft Corporation, Jeff Schlimmer; Oracle, Jeff Mischkinsky; Sun Microsystems, Tony Graham
Chair: Mike Mahan
Scribe: Marc with a c

2. Agenda Review and call for AOB

Will discuss ATF Issue 1 also

3. Approval of Minutes

July 27: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-protocol-wg/2005Aug/0001.html APPROVED

Aug 3: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-protocol-wg/2005Aug/0016.html PENDING

4. Action items

Mike: Send notification to the WS CG about the upcoming work on the one way MEP. DONE

See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-cg/2005Jul/0014.html

Anish: Write a draft message on the ATF's issue 1 and send to list. DONE

aka AsyncTF Issue1 or Does the SOAP/HTTP binding require a SOAP env in the response

See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-protocol-wg/2005Aug/0015.html

DaveO: Draft charter revision language based on this < http://www.w3.org/2005/08/03-xmlprotocol-irc.html > discussion. DONE

See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-protocol-wg/2005Aug/0006.html

Mike: Communicate charter revisions to WSD chair. DONE

See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-protocol-wg/2005Aug/0011.html

Mike: Lets take the agenda out of order and do the new XMLP work item last

6. SOAP 1.2 PER specs

WS-A transition results

mnot: discussed on Monday, directors decision will be announced next Monday

Issue 33rec

http://www.w3.org/2000/xp/Group/xmlp-rec-issues.html#x33

anish reviews the issue

email discussion: noah unsure about what to do, might be too big a change for errata; anish, yves believe that binding defers to HTTP so might be OK

yves: options are to either restrict 3xx to exclude 303 or add specific 303 treatment in table

mike: what would second alternative entail wrt test assertions

what do we lose if we don't support 303

marc: would lose a neat way of doing async in a HTTP-centric way

<anish> +1 to marc

gudge: +1

yves: add new line for 303 and a test case

mike: how much work to change the state machine ?

anish: need to add a line to 303 that changes the method and destination

mike: do we need to provide a test case for this

yves: would be desirable

yves also need to look at the text in init state since that talks about sending the message but after 303 the message is already sent

ACTION: yves to propose text changes to solve 33rec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/10-xmlprotocol-minutes.html#action01]

mike: anish will help yves

7. AOB: ATF's issue 1

<anish> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-protocol-wg/2005Aug/0015.html

anish reviews the issue, reviews his proposed changes

dorchard: need to look at real world implementations. e.g. WS-I BP on one-way. May be that strict binding as described is not what has been implemented. change the spec to match reality

anish: would be comfortable changing the binding as suggested but recollection from previous discussion is that we didn't want to go there

mike: need more discussion on mailing list

ACTION: dorchard to respond to anish email to get discussion started [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/10-xmlprotocol-minutes.html#action02]

anish: third solution is to not change binding but have SOAP binding of WS-addr make the modification to the existing SOAP binding

Mike: anish please take that 3rd way to ML also.

5. New SOAP MEP/Binding work item

mike: how narrowly should we scope the work and participation ?

markn: leave it loose appeals more to me since atf is only a task force and may or may not produce what's required by addr wg

dorchard: xmlp wg needs to decide what work it wants to take on and what problems it wants to address

anish: thinks scoping the work before starting on a draft is the right way to go

dorchard: has alternatives already in xmlspec format, WG can review and decide

mike: seems that there is a minimum amount of work (as requested by wsd wg), would it make sense to start on the one-way ?

anish: work on one-way may be superceded by decision we make down the line, e.g. optional out covers one-way
... have requirements from wsd, use-cases from atf - xmlp can discuss these and propose a direction

dorchard: implicit use-case not mentioned - how to author meps and bindings and how difficult is it

mike: not ready to create an action on this yet

ACTION: mike to open discussion on mailing list re options [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/10-xmlprotocol-minutes.html#action03]

Postlude, Meeting Notes

Ran out of time, might have to consider returning to 90min calls. I will guage next weeks call productivity and act accordingly
No call 24th and 31^st!

There will be a call next week – Aug 17.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: dorchard to respond to anish email to get discussion started [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/10-xmlprotocol-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: mike to open discussion on mailing list re options [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/10-xmlprotocol-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: yves to propose text changes to solve 33rec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/10-xmlprotocol-minutes.html#action01]